--- Karla N <ifirgit@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Shali,
> Its now time for me to ask questions of you, but
> first....when you do this flush strain your urine so
> that you can save all of the stones and show them
> to the doctors. This is what I did the very first
> after I had my urostomy and found kidneys stones.
> The doctor was then able to send the stone away for
> evaluation to determine its makeup.
> Now, on to my questions. I have a gallbladder full
> of stones but am unable to have surgery because
> noone will touch me and I won't subject myself to
> anymore abdominal procedures. (I have also decided
> to not have the surgery for my kidney stones for
> everyone who is interested....I don't want to take
> any chances with infections, or adhesions. I will
> be telling them that if we are going to try anything
> it will be to try and break up the stones and take
> the chance that they will be small enough to pass
> through my ureters.) Could you explain more about
> this flush? Will it flush out stones from inside
> the gallbladder itself? I guess I need a full
> explanation again...this is something that I should
> probably consider.
> Karla
> Shali <Shali9@icdc.com> wrote: Oh goody, goody.
> Shes going to do another one. If you were already
> thinking about it, I guess you could say I came
> along to reinforce it. I
> would be anxious to know what happens. I dont do all
> that you mention.
> I just eat light the day before and OF the oil trip.
> Also, unless you
> already know, I would highly recommend doing Ortho
> Phosphoric Acid with
> the apple juice so the stones are softened enough
> and dont tear any bile
> ducts.Doesnt your recipe call for OPA? Better safe
> than sorry. Sometimes
> I didnt do the OPA, but my stones were much smaller
> than yours. Also,
> 3/4 of a cup of oil works too. I experimented
> because a cup is what it
> calls for. Dont think I'd drop it any lower than
> that. Also, what
> makes it MUCH more platable is in addition to the
> lemon [which is
> mandatory], is tangerine, orange, grapefruit. I
> decided to see if I
> could get it down better and I did. I would love to
> have invited the
> doctors over and ask them just what they think the
> toilet filled with
> green chaffe was if it didnt come out of the
> gallbladder when the
> gallbladder doesnt know what to do with all that oil
> and flushes them
> out. I guess they would call it pure coincidence
> that I drank a cup of
> oil and got all these things out that LOOK like
> gallbladder stones.
> Well, my mom HAD gallbladder surgery and the doctor
> showed her what they
> look liked and when she saw mine, she confirmed they
> were stones. She
> tells everyone with gallbladder problems about the
> flush. I say they
> [doctors] can see whatever they WANT to see. But
> since - as usual -
> they cant fix the problem, theyre not going to
> acknowledge it. Surely,
> they cant start tearing into the liver. But guess
> what? We can remove
> them anyway! I dont do the epsom salts. The recipe
> calls for it but I
> think its too harsh. Just make sure you do laxatives
> so the bowel isnt
> bogged down and what is really ideal is a colonic.
> Glad you had a nice
> day. Wish I could eat without all the symptoms. Some
> day soon.
>
> Shali
>
> At Sun, 12 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote:
> >
> >Hi Shali,
> >Thanks for responding so quickly. You've really
> done
> >the flush 8 times! I've honestly thought about
> doing
> >it again thinking a stone may be lodged in my bile
> >duct.Apparently they can't see gallstones in the
> liver
> >on MRI's, Ct scans, etc.. I didn't realize they
> could
> >be found in the liver, none of the Drs. ever
> mentioned
> >this. But none of them believe me when I tell them
> I
> >actually passed them. My daughter-in-law is an RN &
> >she was taught you couldn't pass them but she
> believes
> >me. I had an epidural last Oct. & all it did was
> make
> >my pain worse! I will take your advice & do the
> flush
> >again as much as I hate the thought. My flush is a
> 3
> >day ordeal, also. Does your recipe call for
> fasting,
> >epsom salts, fruit salad w/whipped cream, olive
> >oil,lemons, & chamomille tea? Thanks ever so much,
> >Shali. I hope you had a good day. My Kids took me
> out
> >for lunch & a movie. We had a nice day.
> >Rita
> >
> >--- Shali wrote:
> >> Hi Rita -
> >>
> >> One flush does not get them all out. As I said,
> the
> >> liver holds about
> >> 2,000. The only stones that pass are the ones
> that
> >> are ready to go and
> >> I say you have more in there if you got what you
> did
> >> the first time
> >> around. There is no doubt in my mind. Ive known
> >> lots of people in the
> >> same predicament. Ive done 8 flushes total and
> each
> >> time, there were
> >> stones until I eventually got none. The epidural
> >> I'll never do again.
> >> AS they were removing it, it left my upper left
> >> thigh numb. That was 7
> >> months ago. Its still numb. I also took everyone
> >> else's advice that
> >> the epidural was the way to go. It didn't work
> >> anyway as toning down
> >> any pain. And yes, I am all too familiar with as
> >> long as youre walking,
> >> you aint sick. But back to the stones, you got
> some
> >> fairly large ones
> >> out. Who's to say theres not one in there the
> size
> >> of a golf ball
> >> making you feel the way you do? Or a hundred more
> >> small ones. Its when
> >> they get caught in the bile ducts too that cause
> >> pain. You just oughta
> >> consider another one while youre waiting on
> surgery.
> >> Yes I agree, the
> >> oil is disgusting but it sure is effective
> without
> >> being cut open!
> >>
> >> Shali
> >>
> >> At Sun, 12 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Shali,
> >> >I did the liver/gallbladder flush before I had
> my
> >> >gallbladder out. My Chiropractor gave me the
> >> recipe.
> >> >On 2/14/00 I passed @ least 40 stones from
> pinhead
> >> >size to large grape size. The recipe was
> >> throuroughly
> >> >disgusting but I was desperate! But I continued
> to
> >> be
> >> >in severe pain so I went to a gastro Dr. & I
> took
> >> >several of the stones with me, he wouldn't even
> >> look @
> >> >them & said you could not pass stones! I had an
> >> >ultrasound that showed I had no stones in my
> >> >gallbladder, imagine that! Finally I was given a
> >> HIDA
> >> >scan that came back that my gallbladder was only
> >> >functioning @ 4%. So after suffering for two
> months
> >> I
> >> >had my gallbladder removed, but the pain got
> worse
> >> >after surgery. I'm not on any pain meds. Drs. a
> >> very
> >> >reluctant to prescribe me anything that works.
> So I
> >> >feel like surgery is my only option. Hopefully
> it
> >> will
> >> >confirm that I have adhesions so my employer
> will
>
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