Re: My letter to: JEAN from Pennsylvania about Dr. Redan....

From: Mary Wade (
Mon Feb 26 05:06:06 2001

Jean--Ah, Sue. Every medical procedure that they will do on you has a procedure code. And there will be an accompanying diagnostic code to explain to the insurance company why they did the procedure. I think what Sue was trying to convey was that until they get in there...they don't know exactly what they will find. In my case, they did several different procedures and could bill for each of them. Had there only be adhesiolysis...they could have only billed for that. Does this make sense? My guess is that she meant that she can't know now what all the procedures will be. In my case, there were separate codes for the adhesiolysis and the removal of endo. It wasn't like they up and decided to remove my tonsils while they were in there. It was all related and needed.

And if they were to REALLY think up something to do for which there is no procedure code? Then, yes, insurance companies would cough that up, I am sure. Might be well to ask for clarification on this if you think Sue really said there are no procedure codes for what they are doing. So it's either 1) they don't know exactly what they will have to rearrange until they get in there (most likely) OR 2) they are doing procedures that are not recognized (very unlikely, I would think). Might not hurt to find out for sure. Off for the day! Your friend, Mary

-----Original Message----- From: Jean (from PA) [] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS Subject: Re: My letter to: JEAN from Pennsylvania about Dr. Redan....

At Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Mary Wade wrote: >
>Jean--Something in your letter struck me as "Ut oh....think we have to
>figure this out." It was your comment that "I am just hoping since there
>aren't procedure codes (as I have heard
>>from some people) for the operation that my insurance doesn't refuse to
>>pay anything." that has me concerned and confused. This was not my
>experience with Dr. Reich and Redan. There WERE procedure codes for the
>procedures that they did. Could you clarify on this point? Thanks. Your
>friend, Mary

Hi Mary, I had asked my insurance company awhile back if they could tell me if and how much they would cover for Adhesion Lysis. They said I needed to get a diagnosis code and procedure code in order for them to know if and what they would cover. I told this to Sue but she didn't supply me with any codes so I could check on my coverage. I didn't think that would be so difficult since I assumed there was "a code" just for adhesions in I wrong?? I know of others who had difficulty getting codes from Sue also. I don't mean to be picky or anything, just reassured.

I hope you understand why I am worried about this.....after what my insurance is pulling off with the nursing home. I thought after all the appeals and changes in codes from the nursing home that the insurance would have paid them by now. Can you imagine the 6 week bill for intravenous antibiotics and therapy, let alone room and food etc.?

It is also largely the fault of the insurance company that I am out of the $900 from another doctor. "They" had the wrong ID number for the doctor when they told me I had to pay him cause he wasn't in-network. I sent the doctor the small "out-of-network" amount I received PLUS I scraped allot of additional money together( a portion of the charge)and sent it to the doctor and then it was discovered he was "in-network". The insurance then sent the doctor "all of" the "in-network" payment instead of deducting what they were already paid from me "out-of-network" from the payment. The insurance then told me "I" owed the insurance company their money back and "I" had to get my money back from the doctor although I don't have it and "told them" it was all sent to the doctor! They made me pay them back... so now I paid the doctor, they paid the doctor AND I also paid the insurance company. Then I even hire and pay a lawyer cause the doctor won't return my money and they still won't reimburse me! What a mess, and I just keep losing more money!!

I figured I was in good shape with the Scranton hospital cause they do participate with my insurance....but now I am not sure. Am I worrying for nothing? Does the insurance "have to pay" if the hospital is participating (in-network)??? Are they "obligated to pay something" towards the doctor bill if they are out of network??

Every time I start feeling really good about going there for the surgery something in my life backfires in my face to cause me to worry a again. Appeals and lawyers haven't worked for me! I also really thought my MD would help by writing a referral letter, but I was wrong. If this other surgeon heard of them maybe he will write one?? The doctors around here aren't very willing to help you. I just figured it "might" help in-case the insurance would say something like "you should (or must) go to a doctor who is in-network".

Thanks for being a compassionate & understanding friend. Sorry this is so long....I get carried away. JEAN

>At 12:52 AM 2/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Helen Dynda wrote:
>>>Jean ( ) from Pennsylvania said: "I asked my MD to
write >>>a referral paper for Dr. Redan cause even though I don't need referrals
I >>>read on here that it may help prevent insurance problems. He refused,
since >>>he never heard of them.
>>>~ ~ ~ ~
>>>Dear Jean, I am so sorry to hear that your doctor refused to give you a
>>>referral to Dr. Redan.
>>>You might ask your doctor if he has ever heard of Dr. Harry Reich. Dr.
>>>Reich is "the most talented laparoscopic surgeon in the world!!" Dr.
Reich >>>performs surgery at both Community Memorial Hospital ( CMC ) in
Scranton, PA >>>and at St. Vincents' Hospital in New York City. Since you are from
>>>Pennsylvania, surely your doctor has heard of Dr. Reich.
>>>In April 1999, Dr. Reich performed a successful adhesiolysis procedure
for >>>Deb. I saw Deb's video -- her abdominal and pelvic organs were
completely >>>covered with adhesions!!. It took Dr. Reich 10 hours to complete Deb's
>>>surgery!!! Deb is pain free today!!
>>>For a long time Dr. Reich realized that postsurgical adhesions have been
>>>causing so many people problems with chronic pain, infertility, bowel
>>>obstructions, etc. Since he had been experiencing success with his
>>>adhesiolysis procedures, Dr. Reich made a decision to specialize in
>>>performing adhesiolysis procedures. Since Dr. Reich's specialty is
Ob/Gyn, >>>he needed to find a General Surgeon to be his surgical partner. It was
then >>>that Dr. Reich personally chose Dr. Jay Redan to be his surgical
partner. >>>Dr. Redan is a very skilled and experienced laparoscopic surgeon too.
>>>On May 1, 2000 these two surgeons opened the very first Adhesions Unit
in >>>the United States at CMC. Since then Dr. Reich has been working very
>>>closely with Dr. Redan -- at both CMC and St. Vincents Hospital --
>>>specializing in adhesiolysis procedures.
>>>When adhesion involvement is very severe, such as in Deb's case, it is
>>>extremely important that the surgeon is very meticulous as well as
extremely >>>cautious as he lyses adhesions...for the safety of the patient and to
give >>>the patient the very best chance to become pain free. The surgeon must
be >>>sure that there is NO blood or other debris ( such as talc from the
>>>surgeon's gloves, lint from sponges, etc.) left in the abdominal cavity.
He >>>must also be very careful so that he does not traumatize internal
organs. >>>All of this takes time...a lot of time, if the lysis of adhesions is
going >>>to be a success!!
>>>When a surgeon tries to complete an adhesiolysis procedure in a maximum
of >>>1-2 hours, the surgeon's decision -- to complete the adhesiolysis
procedure >>>within this time frame -- does NOT show consideration for the safety and
>>>well-being of the patient. Chances are the surgeon is "rushing" the
>>>adhesiolysis procedure simply because he knows that an adhesiolysis
>>>procedure is the "most underpaid" surgical procedure that Medicare and
other >>>insurance companies reimburse the surgeon for.!!!!!!!
>>Thanks for your response to my post.
>>I think I also mentioned Dr. Reich to my MD, but not sure.
>>I will ask the general surgeon when I go, if I am lucky maybe he will
>>know one of them.
>>I know exactly what you mean about the rushing etc.
>>I do believe what you say about Dr. Reich.
>>I definitely prefer someone who cares and is gentle!!
>>I am just hoping since there aren't procedure codes (as I have heard
>>from some people) for the operation that my insurance doesn't refuse to
>>pay anything. I definitely can't afford to pay the entire doctor bill
>>AND the hospital. I would go out of network and don't know if they
>>would definitely be required to pay?!? When I asked for codes Sue
>>couldn't give me any so I could check with my insurance. The insurance
>>said I need diagnosis codes and procedure codes to see if it qualifies
>>and for how much.
>>I do already have a problem going on right now with the insurance
>>refusing to pay for my nursing home care of 6 weeks (big time money).
>>The nursing home has appealed it about 6 times now in 7 months time.
>>The insurance company was the one who said they would only pay for my 4
>>weeks of intravenous "if I was in a nursing home", but not as an
>>out-patient with a visiting nurse coming in to start & stop it twice a
>>day so I had no choice. The nursing home "is a participating facility"
>>so it is in-network.
>>These HMO's are something else!!! I know they definitely are not in
>>business to do anyone any favors and will do whatever it takes to get
>>out of paying if possible.
>>I also never got my money back ($900) from that doctor who double-billed
>>(me & the insurance) even after I got a lawyer.
>>He couldn't believe it kind of luck!
>>Hope you are still feeling good.
>>Jean (from PA)

Jean (from PA)

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