Re: Why is my surgeon giving me such a hard time?

From: Jean (
Sat Feb 24 13:07:22 2001

At Sat, 24 Feb 2001, toni welsh wrote: >
>At Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Millie wrote:
>>You had a nightmare,too. It changes you for life when these things happen. I
>>cannot afford to go through too much more. I have lost a lot of weight.
>>Everyone comments on it - like I can't look in the mirror.
>>Did the gastric tube hurt? Is that the nasogastric tube,or another kind? I
>>am scared to death of them, even though I haven't yet had one.

>>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jean (from PA)" <>
>>To: "Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS"
>>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 5:20 PM
>>Subject: Re: Why is my surgeon giving me such a hard time?
>>> At Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Millie wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Se,
>>> >I am going through hell, too. All because of a TAH that I find out I
>>> >need. She left the right ovary.She said the path. was o.k. She said the
>>> >organs she removed were in pretty good shape.So why did she mangle me? I
>>> >have hurt every day and night since I came home. Bowel function is not
>>> >She laughed at me and called me her "colicky baby." She tried to pass it
>>> >as irritable bowel, becase it was the lazy way out to read my past
>>> >and not consider she hacked me up. You don't know what this has done to
>>> >mentally and physically. i have a lot of bowel problems, and pain so I
>>> >standup straight, walk right, sit for too long, or lay down certain ways.
>>> >don't see anything ever improving - here it is over 3 weeks. I am mad at
>>> >women I know here. They all were glad they had theirs done. NOT ME!!!! I
>>> >guess I can't blame them, though. Yes, adhesions can and do re-form after
>>> >surgery, the more they cut and move things around, the more adhesions
>>> >get. I bet I am 10-fold with them since the surgery. She was supposed to
>>> >have cut them, and put in Interceed. But I read where that's not a sure
>>> >cure all. She found minimal endo, which according to the post op report,
>>> >did nothing with. I read somewhere that women ob/gyns are more apt to
>>> >you up. I don't know why. I never should have agreed to let her even cut
>>> >me, because once they have you under, they can do whatever they want. I
>>> >sorry I'm so bitter, but I can't be left like this, or worse, forever. I
>>> >have thought about the pill route,too, but with my luck, it would
>>> >and leave me worse off! LOL. My gastro gave the whole dept. orders not to
>>> >accept any more messages from me - he said because I called the office
>>> >much, as well as after hours. I thought that's what they are there for.
>>> >sid I'd have to see their psychologist, or he wouldn't keep me as a
>>> >I told the psychologist that since what happened to my Mom, and to me,
>>> >I don't trust many Ds. - including that ob/gyn. But I bet the gastro
>>> >my money, and the ins. co. money. Someday I pray to be better so i can go
>>> >there and tell them all what I think of them - especially the ob/gyn. A
>>> >of them just don't care. You're just a $ sign.
>>> >Keep in touch.
>>> >Millie
>>> Millie,
>>> I have had MANY empathetic doctors in the past.
>>> The only really good empathetic one retired on me!!!
>>> He was a GYN who only dealt with womanly problems, not childbirth
>>> anymore.
>>> The ovary he took out (last one) was attached to my vaginal wall inside
>>> by adhesions. It also had cysts on it.
>>> He even said after his surgery "no wonder you were in so much pain". He
>>> said he had never seen anything like it in all his years of practice.
>>> He also found adhesions on the peritoneum and gall-bladder.
>>> The doctor who took the 1st ovary was a completely different story!!!
>>> He did my first ovary surgery but said nothing was wrong with me when I
>>> went back with the problems with the 2nd ovary......RIGHT!
>>> I got my reports from him a few days ago and I saw he even wrote on his
>>> reports that I have an extremely "low tolerance for pain"!!!.....after
>>> all I have endured over my lifetime and 17 surgeries!
>>> During surgery he had:
>>> 1. removed the ovary from the bowel which it was firmly adhered to,
>>> which also had cysts on it. He even said it took an extreme amount of
>>> time to get it off of the bowel.
>>> 2. had to remove the ovary and tubes completely.
>>> 3. repaired (sewed) my bowel, so he must have punctured it getting the
>>> ovary loose.
>>> 4. removed part of my Omentum
>>> 5. removed silk sutures which he said were imbedded terribly in my
>>> Omentum for some reason. He had to give up cause it was impossible to
>>> get them all.........
>>> BUT he couldn't understand why I was in allot of pain afterward!!
>>> This was all done with a full sized laparotomy incision, plus my bowels
>>> were all messed up from him working on them and I couldn't go or let any
>>> gas afterward (intestines go into shock).
>>> He didn't think I should have needed pain pills 2 days later. I finally
>>> had my husband sneak my Herb-lax into the hospital and after I took them
>>> I passed allot of gas, moved my bowels and was ok!!
>>> There are allot of doctors out there who probably have never even
>>> experienced pain of surgery themselves, let alone adhesions!!
>>> With my other 2 adhesion surgeries (different doctor) which involved the
>>> bowels and a laparotomy incision I had a gastric tube inserted so I
>>> wouldn't "blow up" and get as much pain when the bowels went into shock.
>>> JEAN (from PA)

>>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: "SueT" <>
>>> >To: "Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS"
>>> ><>
>>> >Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:52 PM
>>> >Subject: Why is my surgeon giving me such a hard time?
>>> >
>>> >> Dr. Wiseman stated in a recent chat, "even the most skilled surgeons
>>> >> will have adhesions come back - the trick is to get someone who will
>>> >> work with you."
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello everyone. I've only posted perhaps a couple of times here mostly
>>> >> due to the fact that I'm not so sure that I have much to offer in the
>>> >> way of help to others. I'm still learning.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nearly two years ago, a laparoscopy was performed on me by a very, very
>>> >> skilled surgeon. Endometriosis was found and treated along with
>>> >> adhesions which were lysed. Ovary adhered to pelvic sidewall and
>>> >> sigmoid colon. Until I had recuperated from the surgery, I had no idea
>>> >> what normal bowel function was! With the exception of some monthly
>>> >> I was well for approximately 7 months. Constipation returned, but even
>>> >> worse along with tremendous abdominal distention, pain seemingly
>>> >> everywhere, pulling sensations, bladder difficulties and more. I have
>>> >> now seeked the help of the same surgeon. I have seen innumerable
>>> >> specialists and had many, many procedures performed. The surgeon is
>>> >> insisting that I have irritable bowel. It truly seems as though he
>>> >> doesn't want to care for me. That scar tissue is out of the question.
>>> >> >From what I have read, this seems to be a common concern for many
>>> >> people, in that their care givers are giving up. The
>>> >> for one, would rather not put that label on me until I've had another
>>> >> lap to rule out other etiologies (now thats a switch). Other
>>> >> have stated that yes, scar tissue is a possibility along with others.
>>> >> what's with the surgeon?????????????? I read somewhere that sometimes
>>> >> the surgeons have concerns about reimbursement from insurance companies
>>> >> due to the nature of the surgery. I have insurance and am quite
>>> >> of paying for the balance.
>>> >>
>>> >> Does anyone have any insight as to why the surgeon is causing me more
>>> >> grief than what I'm already going through? I'm totally miserable. I
>>> >> feel as though I must be insane or something. I feel like I'm being
>>> >> dumped. There was one instance for example, that I made a mistake with
>>> >> my pain meds, stumbled to bed, realized what I had done and thought to
>>> >> myself, "oh well, maybe I won't wake up" and went to sleep.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any input would be greatly appreciated.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sue
>>> >>
>>> --
>>> Jean (from PA)
>My gyn removed my omemtum, he said that is the part that adhers the most
>after surgery, I know it is the fatty tissue that protects something
>there, but what is it for? Does anyone know?

Toni, All I know is it a layer of fatty tissue which lies over and protects your abdominal organs. >From what I don't know!
I also am interested in knowing what "isn't" protected when they remove part or all of it! JEAN (from PA)

Jean (from PA)

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