>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:00:26 -0500 >To: Igor Gudymenko <igudym@eos.comint.net> >From: Tina Shelby <tshelby@usit.net> >Subject: Re: Two banks of the river > >Igor, > >I am not going to respond to your questions/comments - until you answer
mine. Since you have all of the answers - I don't understand why you won't
answer our questions about your success and when you do answer the response
is vague and without substance - then you resort to waging a personal attack
on anyone who has disagreed with anything that you have said. I am the first
to admit - I am not God - so I don't have all the answers - but guess what -
neither do you - and it is very arrogant of you to think that you are the
only one that does.
> >I do not wish to get away from the purpose of this forum - to learn from
each other - share our experiences - discuss what has helped us and what
hasn't - and get the support we need from each other to make it through our
day-to-day lives. As Dr. Wiseman has quoted - "A trouble shared is a trouble
halved." So Igor - I would appreciate it if we could just try and learn from
each other's experiences, share what we do know (and be willing to share the
source of our info) and not resort to insulting the others intellegence. It
is upsetting to the group if some of the members are quarrelling among
themselves and it takes us away from the purpose of this forum.
> >If any of my previous e-mails offended you - that was not my intent. My
intent was to find out - more specifically - about what you have learned and
where you got your info (especially about all of adhesion sufferers have
liver damage). If you do not wish to share the info or sources - then -
please just say so - but lets not destroy the morale of the forum by not
treated each other with the respect we each deserve.
> >Sincerely > >Tina > >At 06:57 PM 10/13/99 +0200, you wrote: >>Dear Tina, >> >>I hope you understand that we are on the opposite banks of the river. :) >> >>> I MUST ALSO >>> EXPLAIN THAT I HAVE A MEDICAL BACKGROUND AS FAMILY NURSE PACTITIONER - >>> MASTER OF SCIENCE IN NURSING - WITH EXPERIENCE IN RESEARCH - SO MY COMMENTS >>> ARE NOT JUST MY OPIONION - BUT ARE SCIENTIFICALLY BASED. >> >>It doesn't matter at all. Why did you write that? :) >>If you can't help yourself with your health so all your degrees and diplomas >>are useless here. It's more than obvious. :) >> >>> I hope I don't come across as being totally illerate about these things but >>> I really would like to more about them. From what I do know - I don't see >>> anything here that would necessarily be of harm - it is my opinion that >>> there has got to be a happy medium between conventional medicine as we know >>> it and the natural/organic alternative treatments. >> >>When I began my self-treatment I was absolutely illiterate and confessed >>that honestly. >>I tried to get any info and thanked everybody for it. >> >>So, Tina, you have to realize that you are illiterate about health and >>your disease now. >> >>When you live out your first month without any(!) fear, medication, pain or >>any even little cramp then you'll be able to say "I know a bit(!) about >>health and do a bit too". >> >>But now - "No". You can not say such phrase now - you have not a positive >>experience yet and must work but not to have affected chats. >> >>> I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND NOT AGREEING TO HAVING MORE SURGERY AS IT IS A >>> VICIOUS CYCLE OF PAIN, SURGERY, TEMPORARY (IF ANY) REPRIEVE OF SYMPTOMS, AND >>> PAIN. AT FIRST FORMATION - ADHESIONS (IN VARYING DEGREES) ARE VERY STRONG >>> BANDS OF SCAR TISSUE BUT AS TIME PASSES - THE BANDS GET SOFTER, THINNER AND >>> MORE PLIABLE. SO TIME RATHER THAN SURGERY SEEMS TO BE THE BETTER OPTION >>> UNTIL THE FORMATION OF ADHESIONS CAN BE PREVENTED OR THE PATIENT HAS TOTALLY >>> OBSTRUCTED AND CANNOT BE RESOLVED WITH NON-SURGICAL METHODS. >> >>> CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE ALONG WITH ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE BOTH ADVOCATE >>> MAINTANING GOOD HEALTH - IT IS BETTER TO PREVENT ILLNESS THAN TO TREAT IT. >>> HOWEVER CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE AS WELL AS ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT ENCOURAGE >>> MANY OF THE THINGS ON YOUR LIST SUCH AS REST, SLEEP, HEALTHY DIET WITH >>> SUPPLIMENTS INCLUDING ANTIOXIDENTS, REDUCING STRESS LEVELS (THROUGH DEEP >>> BREATHING, RELAXATION, PRAYER, BIO-FEEDBACK ETC) USING MOIST HEAT TO HELP >>> RELIEVE PAIN AND INCREASE CIRCULATION, AND MAINTAINING A POSITIVE ATTITUDE >>> (ONCE A PERSON LOSES ALL HOPE - ITS ALL OVER FOR THEM). >> >>You have told here so many clever words. It's like an kind article from a >>popular magazine on health or medicine. >>Excuse me, but where's the result? >>Your result? Or those are just empty words? >>Where is an implementing of those so well-sounded phrases? >> >>Hope you understand I needn't your explanation at all and I'd be glad you >>to implement all above for you and get certain positive result. >> >>> OBVIOUSLY THE MORE HEALTHY YOU ARE - THE STRONGER YOUR BODY WILL BE - AND >>> YOU WILL BE MORE ABLE TO FIGHT OFF OR DEAL WITH HEALTH PROBLEMS. WHICH IS >>> THE POINT I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE. MOST OF THE STEPS YOU LIST ARE >>> GOOD FOR EVERYBODY AND GOOD FOR OUR HEALTH STATE. I, HOWEVER, WANT TO KNOW >>> FROM OTHERS WHO ARE DEALING WITH THE SAME TYPE HEALTH PROBLEMS I AM, WHAT >>> SPECIFICALLY HAVE THEY TRIED FOR THIS AND WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND THAT WORKS. >>> WHAT WORKS FOR ONE PERSON MAY OR MAY NOT WORK FOR ANOTHER. THEREFORE I KEEP >>> TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS AND IF IT HELPS - GREAT - IF NOT - I KEEP LOOKING. >> >>What exact method did hurt you or didn't work? Call it. >>What exact? >> >>It's too easy to say that my disease is unique and more worse than others >>and then ... nothing to do about it!!! >> >>I have seen a lot of people with various diseases and even with cancer >>and observed men's results. Nothing unique! Just hard work! Very hard >>work! >> >>So I would like to know what exactly natural methods have you used and >>what effect did you get? Especially negative effect. >> >>I'm ready to listen to you and comment your actions or correct them for >>the future. >> >>Waiting for your examples. >> >>With Love, >>Igor Gudymenko >> >