Re: Pain free? Igor, please tell us more. - How to start

From: Ginny King (
Sun Oct 3 10:49:48 1999

Hello Igor, I found your post both interesting and disturbing. You posted that we should "avoid....web navigation, to be among sick people" I find this curious? Why are you here? Second "most members are experienced surgeons with numerous successful operations" My understanding of this forum is to share and to support. The first covers proceedures that have been successful and some that have not. You obviously do not understand the relationship between adhesions and problems that are gyn and gi related. That ignorance alone is enough to worry me about your "advice". The most important aspect though is the support. Support groups have been used successfully by millions of people of different disorders to help with the mental anguish of diseases which the medical profession for the most part fails to do. I myself have found the courage to continue on days where the pain is so intense I feel I can not go on by reading this forum. I find it most interesting that you seem to be against educating ones self in order to find an anwser that may work for ones self. Also curious for one who has obviously educated himself and found an alternative therapy that has worked. Finally, you state "listen to positive examples of disease treatment" You have been asked on more than one occassion for your positive example of disease treatment and yet your answers go beyond "vague". I am usually very open minded and don't get upset by others opinions, but it seems to me that you find pleasure in provoking others and I for one do not feel that a support forum is the place. Ginny

At Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Igor Gudymenko wrote: >
>Hello friends,
>I was asked:
>> So tell us Igor, what has been your key factors in restoring
>> your health?
>> I am very interested.
>and so on.
>But at first I'd like to talk to you about one very strange and dangerous
>tendency at adhesion forum.
>Sometimes I think that this forum is a discussion group of gastrointestinal
>and gynecological surgeons. Nearly every member tries to use a lot of
>medical terms, discuss various techniques of operations and other surgery
>problems, efficiency of pharmaceutical remedies, etc. It seems that most
>members are experienced surgeons with numerous successful operations.
>When do we stop playing medical games and face to your trouble directly? :)
>Adhesions is very dangerous health problem. It's danger is equal to Crohn's
>disease, pemphigus, benign and malignant tumours, cerebral thrombosis, etc.
>I call here officially incurable diseases which usually cause DEATH. But
>modern medicine gives us a chance to delay our death and to think about
>our life-style, about our habits, our world outlook and world perception.
>If we are getting other people, if we change ourselves so our destiny
>gives us new chance. If we ignore that chance so we would got disable
>persons (if to say more simple - cripples) or die. :(
>I have written:
>> At first I refused all drugs and medicine
>but before that I had refused all UNNECESSARY INFORMATION. I reduced all
>input as much as possible. I stopped reading papers and magazines, watching
>TV, listening to radio, especially I excluded any ads pressure - avoided
>it at all.
>I excluded ALL DESTRUCTIVE MEDICAL INFO like medical statistics, "new"
>and "perspective" methods and drugs descriptions, etc. I didn't see my
>docs at all there.
>Modern society forces you to consume a mass of waste info and waste goods.
>So I could avoid empty emotions and concentrate on internal reserves of
>my own soul and body.
>I'd recommend you for the first time to decrease as much as possible or
>even AVOID(!) reading papers and magazines, watching TV, listening to
>radio, Web navigation, to be among sick people, unnecessary shopping,
>crowdy places, visiting cinema and games, hearing any music, especially
>unnecessary docs visiting(!), etc.
>Try to INCREASE alone morning and evening walking, to hear real nature
>sounds - not recorded(!) but ALIVE, to be among healthy people, listen
>to positive examples of any disease treatment. It begins to clear your
>mind out of mental "garbage" and gains your strength and self-reliance.
>Several times I used word "natural".
>Let's look around. It seems that word expressions like "natural healing",
>"natural health", "natural medicine" and other "naturals"/"naturo'es"
>are the most valuable franchise brands in the "health" market today.
>As for popular abbreviations like CD, IBS, IBD, GERD, etc., I think it
>a real paradise for small and large sharks.
>Unfortunately that word loses it's primary sense now. :(
>Some of my words seem quite strange. I'm not a "kind man" from
>naturopathic ads which sells rare African or Chinese herbs and try to
>puncture your ear with a titanium needle and cries loudly that his
>method is best since he uses best, purest, strongest and other most'es.
>Personally I don't use any "best" or "high" things, just "usual" and
>"common" ones. I know they are much more efficient. :)
>My knowledge and experience of health are really large and if someone
>wants to continue above conversation or discuss certain methods like
>clearances or diets let me know and I'll share with you of course.
>By the way, recently I saw some thoughts at the forum about chiropractic
>and nerve blocks. As I know both are too dangerous. The first one is
>not safe for your future and future of your children and descendants
>and the second stops normal abdominal innervation. :(
>Best regards, Igor Gudymenko

Enter keywords:
Returns per screen: Require all keywords: