>>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sarah.wampler@yahoo.com<mailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?
>
> Hi Lou!
> Glad to see you on the board!! I just wanted to clarify that Dr. Redan
> is doing clinical trials on Sprayshield not Spraygel. There seems to
> have been some problems with Spraygel so Sprayshield is the new and
> improved version of Spraygel. Spraygel was never FDA approved for use
> in the US (I'm assuming due to the problems with it?) so hopefully
> Sprayshield will not have those problems and will be approved for use
> here in the US. For further information on the trials with Dr. Redan
> you can contact either Paulette or Adrienne via the
> www.adhesionscenter.com<http://www.adhesionscenter.com/> website by filling out the form on there. Best
> of luck to you!
> Sincerely,
> Sarah
> At Sat, 28 Feb 2009, LOU COOPER wrote:
> >
> >Hi Cheryl. is the pain you have now the same pain before you went to Germany?
> >I was wondering about the spray gel did you have it?
> >I read that Dr Raden was doing adhesion surgery with spray gel on a trial basis.
> >Cheryl, I hope you do not mind if I ask you, what are you going to do,
> >will you have
> >more surgery.?
> >I am having surgery in June to have the hernia mesh taken out, I have
> >been told its likely
> >due to having adhesion's in that area +the mesh is also giving me problems
> >the meds I'm on are Hydromorphone 1mg, Lorazepam 1mg and gravol for the nausea,
> >I take the 3 together 1 hyd----a half of lorazepam and half of
> >gravol and it works well on me
> >yours on that road
> >Lou
> >Just had a thought, it would be nice if we had a logo------ breast
> >cancer has the pink ribbon +
> >many other people with health issues have theirs, with this hidden
> >illness it would make people be aware of us
> > the greatess tool of today is advertising ,the adhesion problem is to hidden,
> >maybe someone out there might have a great a idea.
> >L
> >
> >On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:12 PM, HERB F DIXON <herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com>> wrote:
> >> Hi Lou, I went to Germany in 2005. I will say that their nurses were
> >> awesome, the food was great! I would love to know how they made their beef
> >> broth it was so good and flavorful. I have been contacted by many people
> >> interested in going to Germany for surgery, I wish that once they did go
> >> over to have their surgeries that they would continue contacting either me,
> >> or the website just to see how they have done post op. I am in constant pain
> >> again, you know the sharp stabbing knife under the ribcage, the ripping and
> >> tearing before during and after bowel movements, doubling over, the almost
> >> contraction like pain that hits hard and doubles you over, subsides for a
> >> few min. and starts all over again. I still live on Percocet, and methadone.
> >> I was on morphiene for a while. My husband said I would quit breathing, then
> >> gasp and jerk for air. I took myself off of it, and it was pretty easy to do
> >> so. I would also fall asleep in a matter of seconds: at the computer,
> >> standing at the washer with my head leaning against the lid, the best and
> >> most comical was falling asleep on the toilet, then one night I actually
> >> fell off (LOL) So many people have their stories of their doctors not
> >> believing them, mine too. In fact he wants me to read a book, I don't
> >> remember what it is called but it basically refers to that it may be in my
> >> mind. ( Gee thanks) Like everyone else too, I wish for a med that will
> >> actually kill the pain, and that when I call in for refills I am not treated
> >> like a drug addict. I am also on Prozac 30 mg. for depression. You know if
> >> "Someone Important" like a movie star etc. had adhesions and dealt with life
> >> the way we do, someone would be right on top of it to help them. I had
> >> another bad night so I do need to get back to my best friend the heating
> >> pad, and my little pillow that I use when I am doubling over and trying to
> >> walk. Good luck to you. Cheryl D.
> >>
> >>> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:43:45 -0600
> >>> From: louc829@gmail.com<mailto:louc829@gmail.com>
> >>> To: adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?
> >>>
> >>> What year did you go to Germany,
> >>> am sorry that you had a few unfortunate experiences and yes does cost
> >>> alot to go to Germany,
> >>> it makes no sense that the spraygel is made in the US and is not used
> >>> by the Drs,
> >>> look at the money that would be saved, and the people it would help
> >>> who suffer with
> >>> adhesion's, what is wrong with the FDA, its sold in other country's,
> >>> just think one could go locally to have adhesion surgery with sraygel
> >>> are you in pain now?
> >>> Take care
> >>> Lou
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:50 PM, HERB F DIXON <herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Dr. Kruschinski did my surgery in Germany. If I could ever come up with
> >>> > the
> >>> > money again, I would go back and try again. I had a few unfortunate
> >>> > experiences getting hurt 7 weeks post op, returning to work way too soon
> >>> > because the pressure was on, and then had my Gallbladder removed. The
> >>> > nicest
> >>> > thing was in Germany, they do not use gas to extend your abdomen. When
> >>> > you
> >>> > are recovering, you don't deal with the awful gas pain that feels like
> >>> > someone is sticking a shovel in your shoulder. The saddest part for me
> >>> > is
> >>> > that I will never completely know the results of my 2 surgeries because
> >>> > of
> >>> > circumstances. My stomach no longer sucks in and gets stuck so that is
> >>> > positive. I feel the reason more and more patients are dealing with
> >>> > adhesions is because the Surgeons are in way too much of a hurry and
> >>> > that
> >>> > also they are not cleaning out the area with the Saline as well as they
> >>> > should too. It is so hard to be so miserable in pain all of the time.
> >>> > Since
> >>> > Confluent Surgical (the company that invented Spray Gel) is in the U.S.
> >>> > that
> >>> > they would catch some sort of a BREAK with the F.D.A. Good luck, Cheryl
> >>> > D.
> >>> >
> >>> >> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:26:51 -0600
> >>> >> From: louc829@gmail.com<mailto:louc829@gmail.com>
> >>> >> To: adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net>
> >>> >> Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Who did your surgery in Germany?
> >>> >> Lou
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:39 PM, HERB F DIXON <herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com>>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > Hi Mark, all I know about adhesions is that Gas being used to extend
> >>> >> > the
> >>> >> > abdomen for surgery causes it, a speck of talc off of gloves, a piece
> >>> >> > of
> >>> >> > whatever is used to absorb blood during surgery. I have had 11
> >>> >> > abdominal
> >>> >> > surgeries. When I had 12 inches of my colon removed for
> >>> >> > Diverticulitis,
> >>> >> > that
> >>> >> > is when my adhesions started. Before that surgery in 2002, I had 2
> >>> >> > c-sections, hysterectomy, one ovary, and then the other, tubal and
> >>> >> > exploratory. It was when my bowel was messed with that they started 2
> >>> >> > weeks
> >>> >> > after surgery. The Lysis surgery I had in Germany, my large, and
> >>> >> > small
> >>> >> > intestine were stuck to my colon, my stomach was literally sucked in
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> > stuck, it was physically noticeable, it blew my Gastro away. I was
> >>> >> > also
> >>> >> > told
> >>> >> > that I had remnants of my ovary left behind with a cyst on it on my
> >>> >> > right
> >>> >> > side. It was not that at all, it was a mass of adhesions. I am one of
> >>> >> > those
> >>> >> > people that are a bit hyperactive. When I have had all of my
> >>> >> > surgeries,
> >>> >> > I
> >>> >> > find tricky ways to clean the house, dust, cook etc. I feel that
> >>> >> > because
> >>> >> > of
> >>> >> > being active too soon after surgeries contributed to my adhesions. I
> >>> >> > only
> >>> >> > hurt myself! I have promised myself that If I ever have another
> >>> >> > abdominal
> >>> >> > surgery for adhesions, I will sit on my rear end, or lay down and
> >>> >> > rest
> >>> >> > until
> >>> >> > I am well. That is a Big if on a surgery again. I hope this helps.
> >>> >> > Cheryl D.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:02:57 -0600
> >>> >> >> From: mark7@skynetbb.com<mailto:mark7@skynetbb.com>
> >>> >> >> To:
>adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net>
> >>> >> >> Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> At Thu, 26 Feb 2009,
>Natrlady21@aol.com<mailto:Natrlady21@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >Does anyone know what makes existing adhesions continue to grow
> >>> >> >> > (spread)?
> >>> >> >> > By
> >>> >> >> >doin certain activities etc. Are there professional articles that
> >>> >> >> > talk
> >>> >> >> > about
> >>> >> >> >this?
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> Mark writes:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Without a source of inflammation, I don't think adhesions can
> >>> >> >> spread.
> >>> >> >> Sources of inflmmation include: surgery, endometriosis, radiation.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> If you don't mind a little conjecture, I've had email correspondence
> >>> >> >> from two women who claim ahdesions have formed for none of these
> >>> >> >> reasons. Just spontaneous formation. I have no reason to doubt their
> >>> >> >> word. So who knows? I have skin eczema which is a spontaneous skin
> >>> >> >> inflammation that I can't seem to stop. My skin will literally ooze
> >>> >> >> liquid for no good reason. So maybe that happens on the inside of my
> >>> >> >> body, too.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Your question, however, may have to do with something else we hear
> >>> >> >> on
> >>> >> >> this forum quite a lot. We often hear reports from people saying
> >>> >> >> that
> >>> >> >> their doctor has observed adhesions "in greater numbers" than
> >>> >> >> observed
> >>> >> >> in the same patient in a previous surgery. Also many people will
> >>> >> >> make a
> >>> >> >> statement like, "I had surgery to clean out my adhesions, but they
> >>> >> >> grew
> >>> >> >> back in greater numbers." or They will say "their back." This could
> >>> >> >> mean
> >>> >> >> simply that the doctor released the pressure but cutting an
> >>> >> >> "offending"
> >>> >> >> adhesion, but the wounded adhesion oozes more fibrin and reconnects
> >>> >> >> immediately after surgery. Time passes, the body shifts and the same
> >>> >> >> adhesion comes under tension again, resulting in discomfort.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I hope this helps. But of course, I know it's not a sufficient
> >>> >> >> answer.
> >>> >> >> I'm probably touching on the truth, but I know I'm not quite there.
> >>> >> >> The
> >>> >> >> truth is that I think nobody can fully explain this awful disease to
> >>> >> >> my
> >>> >> >> satisfaction. For example, I have yet to hear a good explanation of
> >>> >> >> how
> >>> >> >> temporary fibrin deposits can then turn into a permanent adhesion.
> >>> >> >> I'm
> >>> >> >> not satisfied with the explanation that fibrin is the only protein
> >>> >> >> involved. I think there's another process at work. See wikipedia
> >>> >> >> article on 'wound healing.' for more info. I haven't read it all. I
> >>> >> >> get tired easily. Maybe someone else can explain it better.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Yours,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Mark in Seattle
> >>> >> >>
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