Re: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...

From: Chuck Butman (
Wed May 17 17:09:08 2000

I really can't answer most of those questions. I have reread my surgical report which was much lengthier in German. Dr. Korell uses "sharp disection" to remove the adhesions to prevent regrowth. He writes that he used "extensive irrigation" before instlling the Intergel. It looks as though the total price for his surgery was 2,175 DM which is half that amount in our dollars. That includes all tests, exams, photos etc. Again, the room was 350 dollars a day. I have a comlete breakdown of costs. I wish I could help more but as I said before, feel free to e-mail him. Joanne

>----- Original Message -----
From: Helen Dynda <> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 10:47 PM Subject: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...

> Joanne, You were unable to find Karla's questions about your surgery in
> Germany, because Karla was using Beverly's ( )computer.
> Karla, I hope you don't mind that rearranged and numbered the questions,
> which you had about Joanne's surgery in Germany.
> Karla's letter was addressed to:
> Toni
> Did you happen to read the message yesterday from Joanne? She flew to
> Germany where they used the Intergel...for much cheaper than it would be
> here. She feels that she has been cured of her adhesions and I think
> that if that is true...we have much to hope for. However, I do not
> think that Intergel will be approved here in the states. One of the
> reasons it was denied for use was the increased likelihood of infection
> following the placement of the intergel. I personally feel that ten
> weeks post op is way
> too soon to say we are cured of adhesions...I am sure Joanne is feeling
> like a new woman, but I wouldn't throw caution to the wind in saying
> that I was cured if it were me. We all know how pain from adhesions can
> show up...just when we least expect it. It can take up to a couple of
> years for the pain to show up. Another patient had the same procedure
> done over in Germany and is now worse off. I don't know whether one
> should take the chance or is up to the individual.
> 1.) I know that I would like to know just what procedure this doctor
> used?
> 2.) Did he use clot evacuation?
> 3.) Did he leave any Ringers solution in at the end of the procedure?
> 4.) What was this doctor's theory on adhesions?
> 5.) What does he feel causes adhesions to form?
> These are all answers that I need to have before I can consider taking
> this step. I would love to get back to Germany...I lived there for a
> couple of years and what better of an opportunity.
> Karla

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