Re: ?How do adhesions grow?

From: HERB F DIXON (herbcheryl1@msn.com)
Sun Mar 1 14:15:53 2009


Hi Sarah and everyone that listened to me go off yesterday. I am very sorry. I read that website and just let it suck me in. I was not feeling well either, but that is no excuse! Like you said Sarah, Any surgery can cause adhesions and they can also come back with Any Surgeon. When I researched going to Germany in 2004 and 2005, and after asking questions of Dr. K. and a lot of his previous patients and how well they did and are still doing, that was the solution for me. I feel very bad making it sound like I was, and am discrediting Dr. Kruschinski, soooo not my intention by any means. The irht website is one sided. The poem that was written about Dr. K. was just horrible, and very offensive. I understood the website is there to help ARD sufferer's converse, and get help not put down Dr. K, and others that have done nothing but help people, and spread their happiness and joy with the good fortune that was and is bestowed upon them. People really need to quit slinging mud and come together to help each other. This is not a Presidential election! (LOL). I will continue to help others when I am called, or emailed about going to Germany. Like I have said, my case is different because of an injury, and then another abdominal surgery. I so wish that I had more than 7 weeks after surgery to see how well I had done. Such is life! The seven weeks that I did have were heaven, no more pain, or doubling over. I want that again! To even add to it in Aug. 2006, I walked back to my office a different way, my shoe hit a raise in the sidewalk, I tried to save it and of course went down flat on my stomach, chest, skinned both knees, and my left side of my Jaw took major impact also. I am on my 3rd mouthpiece for my jaw. It aches horribly, cracks, crunches, sticks, my bite does not even match any longer. I couldn't let my face take the impact I probably would of ended up with a broken nose, and chipped or broken teeth. So yes I am a mess! Again I have just been in chronic pain more intense lately, I was in a whiney, feel sorry for me mood. I don't feel lied to, or let down. I did have wonderful care from Dr. K, his nurses, the Emma Clinic, the nurses and staff there. Dr. K and his nurses came to the apartment also to care for me in the A.M. and P.M. for the 1st few days after being released from the hospital after my 1st and 2nd look surgeries. That sure doesn't happen here in the states. OK time for a nap, I slept horrible last night because I felt so guilty about what I wrote. Now my conscience is cleared, just hope that what I said can be forgiven. I do not like to hurt anyone's feelings, and I hate gossip! Thanks for listening have a good day, Cheryl D.

> ----- Original Message -----
From: sarah.wampler@yahoo.com<mailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:46 PM Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?

Hi Cheryl, Don't beat yourself up! You don't know for sure if Spraygel caused the problems. Adhesions can come back with ANY surgeon! All you can do is research and make the best decisions you can (which you have done) at the time. I have seen that website....well, it's interesting, but remember it's the opinion of one person. I don't know if the info on there is fact or not. Although I have found in my research that "gasless laparoscopy" may not really be a great thing...supposedly not using the CO2 creates an environment similar to regular open surgery. I don't know...I am not a surgeon. My point is....you should be proud of yourself for reaching out to others to help them. We have all been let down by medical professionals....keep your head up, keep on going, and we are all here for you if you need us!!! I also emailed you personally if that's okay :o) Sincerely, Sarah At Sat, 28 Feb 2009, HERB F DIXON wrote: >
>Hi Sarah, I am at this point so confused, distraught, and devastated about all that I have just read about Spray Gel, Dr. Kruschinski and his procedures. You can go to all lower case ihrtblogspot.com. At the website you can read about Spray Gel, Dr. K, Sprayshield, etc. I was told that when I got hurt that the impact caused internal bleeding which in turn causes more adhesions. Yet now they are saying that Spraygel has and is causing the return of adhesions. I feel betrayed, lied to and like I have just been kicked in the gut! It is bad enough that we are all dealing with this dreadful illness. If what is being said is true on this website, the patients that went to him for surgery were so desperate for a cure, that they went to him, and were basically ripped off? I guess what they say is true " If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is". OUCH. Sarah bless you for saying what you did today. I guess that I am just NOT ready for the truth, I feel like such a FOOL! GTG,!
want to do more reading, plus I believe that I need to have my name removed from the Endogyn website. I feel like such an idiot for singing his praises to other perspective patients. Take Care, Cheryl D. >

> >> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
sarah.wampler@yahoo.com<mailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com<mailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com%3Cmailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com>> > To: Multiple recipients of list
ADHESIONS<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net>> > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?
>
> Hi Cheryl,
> I have done some research by simply googling Spraygel and/or
> Sprayshield. I have read some things about Spraygel possibly causing
> scarring in some patients....possibly due to the methylenblue dye used
> to color it. I am not saying this is the case, just what I have read.
>
>From my research I have found that Sprayshield has a quicker absorption
> time and does not have methylenblue in it. Don't quote me on any of
> this :o) it's just from research I have personally done. I have spoken
> with Dr. Redan about it and he is very excited about these clinical
> trials with Sprayshield....hoping this is great news for people
> suffering from adhesions. I hope this helps....feel free to email me if
> you have any questions!!! Adrienne or Paulette at CAPPS/Dr. Redan would
> probably have more specific information. Calling them and asking for
> info certainly doesn't obligate you to be a patient there or
> anything....I'm sure they would be happy to help and provide any info
> they can...
> Sincerely,
> Sarah
> At Sat, 28 Feb 2009, HERB F DIXON wrote:
> >
>
>Hi Sarah, I am so curious about what problems were found with Spraygel since it was used on me back in 2005. Do you know where the information came from about Spraygel, or where to look up the info on it? Hey thanks so much for posting the info about it. I am also now very curious about Sprayshield, and would love to get involved in clinical trials. Thanks much! Cheryl D.
> >
>

> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
>sarah.wampler@yahoo.com<mailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com<mailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com%3Cmailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com<mailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com%3Cmailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com%3Cmailto:sarah.wampler@yahoo.com>>>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
>ADHESIONS<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net%3Cmailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net>>>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?
> >
> > Hi Lou!
>
> Glad to see you on the board!! I just wanted to clarify that Dr. Redan
>
> is doing clinical trials on Sprayshield not Spraygel. There seems to
>
> have been some problems with Spraygel so Sprayshield is the new and
>
> improved version of Spraygel. Spraygel was never FDA approved for use
>
> in the US (I'm assuming due to the problems with it?) so hopefully
>
> Sprayshield will not have those problems and will be approved for use
>
> here in the US. For further information on the trials with Dr. Redan
> > you can contact either Paulette or Adrienne via the
> >
>www.adhesionscenter.com<http://www.adhesionscenter.com/<http://www.adhesionscenter.com%3chttp//www.adhesionscenter.com/<http://www.adhesionscenter.com/%3Chttp://www.adhesionscenter.com%3chttp//www.adhesionscenter.com/>>> website by filling out the form on there. Best
> > of luck to you!
> > Sincerely,
> > Sarah
> > At Sat, 28 Feb 2009, LOU COOPER wrote:
> > >
> >
>>Hi Cheryl. is the pain you have now the same pain before you went to Germany?
> > >I was wondering about the spray gel did you have it?
> >
>>I read that Dr Raden was doing adhesion surgery with spray gel on a trial basis.
> >
>>Cheryl, I hope you do not mind if I ask you, what are you going to do,
> > >will you have
> > >more surgery.?
> >
>>I am having surgery in June to have the hernia mesh taken out, I have
> > >been told its likely
> >
>>due to having adhesion's in that area +the mesh is also giving me problems
> >
>>the meds I'm on are Hydromorphone 1mg, Lorazepam 1mg and gravol for the nausea,
>
> >I take the 3 together 1 hyd----a half of lorazepam and half of
> > >gravol and it works well on me
> > >yours on that road
> > >Lou
>
> >Just had a thought, it would be nice if we had a logo------ breast
> > >cancer has the pink ribbon +
>
> >many other people with health issues have theirs, with this hidden
> > >illness it would make people be aware of us
> >
>> the greatess tool of today is advertising ,the adhesion problem is to hidden,
> > >maybe someone out there might have a great a idea.
> > >L
> > >
> >
>>On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:12 PM, HERB F DIXON <herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com>>>> wrote:
> >
>>> Hi Lou, I went to Germany in 2005. I will say that their nurses were
> >
>>> awesome, the food was great! I would love to know how they made their beef
> >
>>> broth it was so good and flavorful. I have been contacted by many people
> >
>>> interested in going to Germany for surgery, I wish that once they did go
> >
>>> over to have their surgeries that they would continue contacting either me,
> >
>>> or the website just to see how they have done post op. I am in constant pain
> >
>>> again, you know the sharp stabbing knife under the ribcage, the ripping and
> >
>>> tearing before during and after bowel movements, doubling over, the almost
> >
>>> contraction like pain that hits hard and doubles you over, subsides for a
> >
>>> few min. and starts all over again. I still live on Percocet, and methadone.
> >
>>> I was on morphiene for a while. My husband said I would quit breathing, then
> >
>>> gasp and jerk for air. I took myself off of it, and it was pretty easy to do
> >
>>> so. I would also fall asleep in a matter of seconds: at the computer,
> >
>>> standing at the washer with my head leaning against the lid, the best and
> >
>>> most comical was falling asleep on the toilet, then one night I actually
> >
>>> fell off (LOL) So many people have their stories of their doctors not
> >
>>> believing them, mine too. In fact he wants me to read a book, I don't
> >
>>> remember what it is called but it basically refers to that it may be in my
> >
>>> mind. ( Gee thanks) Like everyone else too, I wish for a med that will
> >
>>> actually kill the pain, and that when I call in for refills I am not treated
> >
>>> like a drug addict. I am also on Prozac 30 mg. for depression. You know if
> >
>>> "Someone Important" like a movie star etc. had adhesions and dealt with life
> >
>>> the way we do, someone would be right on top of it to help them. I had
> >
>>> another bad night so I do need to get back to my best friend the heating
> >
>>> pad, and my little pillow that I use when I am doubling over and trying to
> > >> walk. Good luck to you. Cheryl D.
> > >>
> > >>> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:43:45 -0600
> >
>>>> From:
>louc829@gmail.com<mailto:louc829@gmail.com<mailto:louc829@gmail.com%3Cmailto:louc829@gmail.com<mailto:louc829@gmail.com%3Cmailto:louc829@gmail.com%3Cmailto:louc829@gmail.com>>>
> >
>>>> To:
>adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net%3Cmailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net%3Cmailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net%3Cmailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net>>>
> > >>> Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?
> > >>>
> > >>> What year did you go to Germany,
> >
>>>> am sorry that you had a few unfortunate experiences and yes does cost
> > >>> alot to go to Germany,
> >
>>>> it makes no sense that the spraygel is made in the US and is not used
> > >>> by the Drs,
> >
>>>> look at the money that would be saved, and the people it would help
> > >>> who suffer with
> >
>>>> adhesion's, what is wrong with the FDA, its sold in other country's,
> >
>>>> just think one could go locally to have adhesion surgery with sraygel
> > >>> are you in pain now?
> > >>> Take care
> > >>> Lou
> > >>>
> >
>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:50 PM, HERB F DIXON <herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com>>>>
> > >>> wrote:
> >
>>>> > Dr. Kruschinski did my surgery in Germany. If I could ever come up with
> > >>> > the
> >
>>>> > money again, I would go back and try again. I had a few unfortunate
> >
>>>> > experiences getting hurt 7 weeks post op, returning to work way too soon
> >
>>>> > because the pressure was on, and then had my Gallbladder removed. The
> > >>> > nicest
> >
>>>> > thing was in Germany, they do not use gas to extend your abdomen. When
> > >>> > you
> >
>>>> > are recovering, you don't deal with the awful gas pain that feels like
> >
>>>> > someone is sticking a shovel in your shoulder. The saddest part for me
> > >>> > is
> >
>>>> > that I will never completely know the results of my 2 surgeries because
> > >>> > of
> >
>>>> > circumstances. My stomach no longer sucks in and gets stuck so that is
> >
>>>> > positive. I feel the reason more and more patients are dealing with
> >
>>>> > adhesions is because the Surgeons are in way too much of a hurry and
> > >>> > that
> >
>>>> > also they are not cleaning out the area with the Saline as well as they
> >
>>>> > should too. It is so hard to be so miserable in pain all of the time.
> > >>> > Since
> >
>>>> > Confluent Surgical (the company that invented Spray Gel) is in the U.S.
> > >>> > that
> >
>>>> > they would catch some sort of a BREAK with the F.D.A. Good luck, Cheryl
> > >>> > D.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:26:51 -0600
> >
>>>> >> From:
>louc829@gmail.com<mailto:louc829@gmail.com<mailto:louc829@gmail.com%3Cmailto:louc829@gmail.com<mailto:louc829@gmail.com%3Cmailto:louc829@gmail.com%3Cmailto:louc829@gmail.com>>>
> >
>>>> >> To:
>adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net%3Cmailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net%3Cmailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net%3Cmailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net>>>
> > >>> >> Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Who did your surgery in Germany?
> > >>> >> Lou
> > >>> >>
> >
>>>> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:39 PM, HERB F DIXON <herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com<mailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com%3Cmailto:herbcheryl1@msn.com>>>>
> > >>> >> wrote:
> >
>>>> >> > Hi Mark, all I know about adhesions is that Gas being used to extend
> > >>> >> > the
> >
>>>> >> > abdomen for surgery causes it, a speck of talc off of gloves, a piece
> > >>> >> > of
> >
>>>> >> > whatever is used to absorb blood during surgery. I have had 11
> > >>> >> > abdominal
> > >>> >> > surgeries. When I had 12 inches of my colon removed for
> > >>> >> > Diverticulitis,
> > >>> >> > that
> >
>>>> >> > is when my adhesions started. Before that surgery in 2002, I had 2
> >
>>>> >> > c-sections, hysterectomy, one ovary, and then the other, tubal and
> >
>>>> >> > exploratory. It was when my bowel was messed with that they started 2
> > >>> >> > weeks
> >
>>>> >> > after surgery. The Lysis surgery I had in Germany, my large, and
> > >>> >> > small
> >
>>>> >> > intestine were stuck to my colon, my stomach was literally sucked in
> > >>> >> > and
> >
>>>> >> > stuck, it was physically noticeable, it blew my Gastro away. I was
> > >>> >> > also
> > >>> >> > told
> >
>>>> >> > that I had remnants of my ovary left behind with a cyst on it on my
> > >>> >> > right
> >
>>>> >> > side. It was not that at all, it was a mass of adhesions. I am one of
> > >>> >> > those
> >
>>>> >> > people that are a bit hyperactive. When I have had all of my
> > >>> >> > surgeries,
> > >>> >> > I
> >
>>>> >> > find tricky ways to clean the house, dust, cook etc. I feel that
> > >>> >> > because
> > >>> >> > of
> >
>>>> >> > being active too soon after surgeries contributed to my adhesions. I
> > >>> >> > only
> >
>>>> >> > hurt myself! I have promised myself that If I ever have another
> > >>> >> > abdominal
> >
>>>> >> > surgery for adhesions, I will sit on my rear end, or lay down and
> > >>> >> > rest
> > >>> >> > until
> >
>>>> >> > I am well. That is a Big if on a surgery again. I hope this helps.
> > >>> >> > Cheryl D.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:02:57 -0600
> >
>>>> >> >> From:
>mark7@skynetbb.com<mailto:mark7@skynetbb.com<mailto:mark7@skynetbb.com%3Cmailto:mark7@skynetbb.com<mailto:mark7@skynetbb.com%3Cmailto:mark7@skynetbb.com%3Cmailto:mark7@skynetbb.com>>>
> > >>> >> >> To:
> >adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net<mailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net%3Cmailto:adhesions@mail.obgyn.net>>>
> > >>> >> >> Subject: Re: ?How do adhesions grow?
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> At Thu, 26 Feb 2009,
> >Natrlady21@aol.com<mailto:Natrlady21@aol.com<mailto:Natrlady21@aol.com<mailto:Natrlady21@aol.com%3Cmailto:Natrlady21@aol.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> >> >> >
> >
>>>> >> >> >Does anyone know what makes existing adhesions continue to grow
> > >>> >> >> > (spread)?
> > >>> >> >> > By
> >
>>>> >> >> >doin certain activities etc. Are there professional articles that
> > >>> >> >> > talk
> > >>> >> >> > about
> > >>> >> >> >this?
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> Mark writes:
> > >>> >> >>
> >
>>>> >> >> Without a source of inflammation, I don't think adhesions can
> > >>> >> >> spread.
> >
>>>> >> >> Sources of inflmmation include: surgery, endometriosis, radiation.
> > >>> >> >>
> >
>>>> >> >> If you don't mind a little conjecture, I've had email correspondence
> >
>>>> >> >> from two women who claim ahdesions have formed for none of these
> >
>>>> >> >> reasons. Just spontaneous formation. I have no reason to doubt their
> >
>>>> >> >> word. So who knows? I have skin eczema which is a spontaneous skin
> >
>>>> >> >> inflammation that I can't seem to stop. My skin will literally ooze
> >
>>>> >> >> liquid for no good reason. So maybe that happens on the inside of my
> > >>> >> >> body, too.
> > >>> >> >>
> >
>>>> >> >> Your question, however, may have to do with something else we hear
> > >>> >> >> on
> >
>>>> >> >> this forum quite a lot. We often hear reports from people saying
> > >>> >> >> that
> >
>>>> >> >> their doctor has observed adhesions "in greater numbers" than
> > >>> >> >> observed
> >
>>>> >> >> in the same patient in a previous surgery. Also many people will
> > >>> >> >> make a
> >
>>>> >> >> statement like, "I had surgery to clean out my adhesions, but they
> > >>> >> >> grew
> >
>>>> >> >> back in greater numbers." or They will say "their back." This could
> > >>> >> >> mean
> >
>>>> >> >> simply that the doctor released the pressure but cutting an
> > >>> >> >> "offending"
> >
>>>> >> >> adhesion, but the wounded adhesion oozes more fibrin and reconnects
> >
>>>> >> >> immediately after surgery. Time passes, the body shifts and the same
> >
>>>> >> >> adhesion comes under tension again, resulting in discomfort.
> > >>> >> >>
> >
>>>> >> >> I hope this helps. But of course, I know it's not a sufficient
> > >>> >> >> answer.
> >
>>>> >> >> I'm probably touching on the truth, but I know I'm not quite there.
> > >>> >> >> The
> >
>>>> >> >> truth is that I think nobody can fully explain this awful disease to
> > >>> >> >> my
> >
>>>> >> >> satisfaction. For example, I have yet to hear a good explanation of
> > >>> >> >> how
> >
>>>> >> >> temporary fibrin deposits can then turn into a permanent adhesion.
> > >>> >> >> I'm
> >
>>>> >> >> not satisfied with the explanation that fibrin is the only protein
> >
>>>> >> >> involved. I think there's another process at work. See wikipedia
> >
>>>> >> >> article on 'wound healing.' for more info. I haven't read it all. I
> >
>>>> >> >> get tired easily. Maybe someone else can explain it better.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Yours,
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Mark in Seattle
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> to the unsubscribe form at
> > >>> >> >>
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