Re: Irene...Re: Any success stories with Dr. Riech

From: I and J (
Thu Apr 3 09:53:33 2003

At Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Jenny wrote: >WOW... It seems like Germany has all the answers. It appears that it
would be less expensive to have the surgery in Germany versus the US. I am going to see Dr. Reich on the 8th and see what he suggests. Thank you so much and good luck with your fund raising, Irene >Dear Irene,
>I am working on going to Germany to have surgery with Dr. Kruschinski.
>I have been told by two people who recently went over there that their
>total expenses were between $11,000-13,000. Still this is not that bad,
>even though it sounds outrageous. Not many people have that kind of
>money laying around. But my family is pulling together (husband and
>kids) and we are working on ways to raise the money to go. If there is
>a will, there is a way.(bake sales, garage sales, sponsors) I'm sure
>others have some more ideas. I surely would like to know them too!
>Anyway, to be pain and adhesion free, it is totally worth the money.
>That amount covers airfare, a flat for 10 days, first surgery with 3
>days in hospital, second surgery is a second look and done as an
>outpatient to make sure no new adhesions are forming, and also the
>doctor and nurse checking on you at the flat. You really can't beat
>that. Hope this helps!
>Love and hugs,
>At Wed, 2 Apr 2003, cathy:- wrote:
>>Irene, honey, there are definitely people who have been totally cured of
>>adhesions by surgery with Dr. Reich. Bev Douchette is one, and you can
>>find her story on the quilt I'm sure, as well as doing a search on the
>>message board archives for "Bev" (There's only one Bev -- one in a
>>million! After being cured of ARD she became a tireless crusader for
>>other ARD patients.)
>>Other people had surgery with Dr. Reich that failed, but they are
>>nonetheless impressed that they got the very best surgery from the very
>>best surgeon in the world.
>>There is an adhesion barrier which was approved 15 months ago for use in
>>Europe, the UK and Australia called spray gel. It is in clinical trials
>>in the US. Some of our members have tracked down a couple of the best
>>laporoscopic surgeons in the world who practice in Germany, and they
>>have been travelling to Germany to have surgery. Several times per year
>>Dr. Reich has been going to the Emma Klinic and doing adhesiolysis
>>surgeries there with one of the 2 surgeons that our members have been
>>travelling to. In the last 14 months approximately 2 dozen of our
>>members have travelled to Germany for surgery with spray-gel, and a
>>couple others who are citizens of the UK and Australia have had spray
>>gel applied in surgeries close to home. This is of course not a
>>scientific study, and not a scientific sample, blah, blah, blah. But on
>>the other hand these are people who have had histories of 5, 10, 20, 30
>>failed adhesiolysis surgeries, so you would actually expect a BETTER
>>success rate from a scientific study than from the likes of of us. Well,
>>in fact you couldn't get a better success rate -- every single solitary
>>person that we know personally (through this group) has ended their
>>surgery adhesion (and adhesion-pain) free. If spray gel were having a
>>50% or 75% success rate, then you could argue about what your chances
>>are. But 100% is 100%!!!! Those are just astonshingly good results.
>>That's the good news... The bad news is about money. First of all, if
>>you have extensive adhesions that will require extensive surgery to
>>remove, then your insurance won't cover it. An adhesions expert knows
>>that it will take 8, 10, 12 hours of grueling and incredibly meticulous
>>work to have the slightest chance of leaving you adhesion free. Your
>>insurance company will pay roughly $2500 for it. They will pay the
>>hospital, nurses and anesthesiologists for an hour of operating room
>>time. So even if you could find a doctor AND hospital willing, you need
>>to understand that they would be doing this out of the goodness of their
>>hearts because the insurance company sure won't be paying them. Dr.
>>Reich does not accept insurance. Dr. Gerhart and Dr. Redan, who are
>>his collegues in PA do accept some insurance, and sometimes Dr. Reich
>>will assist and then you pay his fee out of your own pocket. On the
>>other hand, there are lots of clueless meatball surgeons out there happy
>>to take $2500 to spend an hour or so doing a hack job on your innards
>>that will leave you worse off.
>>So the deal with going to Germany is that you are on your own. It's
>>much more reasonable than it sounds, though, because medical care in
>>Germany works differently. In the US when you have any sort of medical
>>procedure done a big part of the price is "overhead." You are paying for
>>part of everybody's malpractice insurance. You are paying to pay off
>>their student loans. You are paying for the salaries of all of those
>>people who push paper to and from your insurance company. In Germany,
>>both by law and custom, there are few malpractice cases. The government
>>builds hospitals and trains doctors and nurses. They don't have all of
>>the paperwork to push from place to place. When the Germans set the
>>price for the surgery, they basically only charge for the things that
>>you actually consume. People have reported that the total cost of the
>>trip, including airfare for the ARD sufferer and a companion, and even
>>some touristing on the side, is about $5000-$7000. Sheesh -- even for a
>>"covered" operation in the US you could easily spend half that on
>>deductibles and co-pays!
>>Think about it -- suppose you have 5 surgeries in 8 years and pay
>>deductibles and co-pays. And you pay thousands for drugs because all of
>>the surgeries fail and leave you worse off than before. You could
>>easily be out $20,000 AND be in constant intractible pain. As opposed
>>to having your life back AND spending 1/3 the amount of money.
>>Dr. Reich is absolutely the best, and you are a lucky person to be
>>getting a consult with him. Since he practices with the docs at the
>>Emma Klinic he can even give you more information about them.
>>At Wed, 2 Apr 2003, I and J wrote:
>>>Hello: I was just wondering did anybody have total relief from adhesions
>>>after their surgery with Dr. Riech? I really hope so. I keep reading
>>>and all
>>>I read is suffering. I know the type of suffering, and I guess people
>>>understand it unless they have experienced it themselves. I do not wish
>>>it on
>>>I decided to take a walk today,it defintely was up there with one of the
>>>decisions I have made. My pain today is horrible, the meds are just not
>>>anymore. Have I just acquired a tolerance for them or is the pain
>>>worse? I really do not know. My appointment with Dr. Reich is on the
>>>8th. In reality it is only a week away, but that week of pain feels
>>>like it could be a lifetime away. I guess I am just venting. I really
>>>want to know if Dr. Riech has helped anybody?????
>>>Thanks for listening,
>>cathy :-)

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