Re: Fibrin Glue...a special kind of glue being used in surgical procedures.

From: Karla (ifirgit@webcntrl.com)
Thu Jul 6 03:17:41 2000


Renee,

I understand what you are trying to say and theoretically it sounds wonderful! The only question that I could see is the body's reaction to the foreign substance within....and the results of its reaction. As someone that has undergone SSSSOOOOOOOO many surgical procedures.....including many where they installed (is there a better word?) marlex or gortex for hernia repairs....only to develop major infections due to my body's rejection of those materials.

It certainly would be much easier to use a little glue and eliminate the potential for adhesions developing. The only other question I have is wouldn't the wound need to be nice and clean....uniform.....to work? I cut open my hand when I was washing a glass a couple of months ago and they could not use the glue for that reason.

It certainly is refreshing to see minds at work and I certainly do not want to be a naysayer....just want to throw some thoughts out there as to why it might not work.

God Bless you!

--
Karla

>----- Original Message ----- From: Renee Madron <1renee2@gte.net> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:55 AM Subject: Re: Fibrin Glue...a special kind of glue being used in surgical procedures.

> If you think about it, it does make a little sense. This is how I am looking at > it, only a lay persons opinion. If the doc's were to use glue to stop the > bleeding from any site, then they wouldn't have to use so much gauze to dry up > the blood. Doesn't that sound logical? There wouldn't be a high degree of clot > removal. If blood is a factor in adhesion formation, then eliminating the > oozing, by using glue, would cut some of the risk, promote quicker healing, and > the way I see it, keep the doc's hands, instruments, and solutions at bay, thus > eliminating unnecessary trauma to the tissues.. Yes, glue would be another > foreign matter in the body cavity, but don't you think that gauze leaves lint, > threads, and so on, when used? OR towels even shed. I worked at a surgical > packaging plant for 2 1/2 years, as a materials handler, tray and trace cart > builder and then a level 3 inspector (very closely with Quality Control, who are > RN's or people that have obtained Bachelors Degree's in the field). I packaged > anything that was everything, from simple wound suture to open heart trays and > trace carts. I seen some "nasty things come into this place, as well as go out > (that I had no control over, QC had the last word). Not all gauze, going into a > medical establishment is prepackaged, it has to be touched and counted, by > several people, the same goes for OR towels, point is, there is an amount of > debris, lint and other matter that goes right into that operating room, that > sterilization can't stop. Anyway, I got off the subject...We all research new > and better ways to prevent adhesion re-growth, maybe I'm not looking at the big > picture here, but it sounds good to me. If this can be used in heart, breast, > colon, etc., surgery, why couldn't it be used as an additional prevention method > for adhesions? I have a lot more reading to do, but what I have read so far, > sounds pretty good and it doesn't sound any worse than some of the other stuff I > have read about in this forum or during my own research. You know what, I would > walk to the ends of the earth, if I knew I could regain just a portion of good > health, that would allow me to run, jump, and play with my nine year old. But, I > know right now that isn't possible, not until this business is publicized. I am > not just angry, that the subject is ignored, I am outraged, because this disease > wouldn't afford me, the chance to hold my daughter passed the age of 1 and it > doesn't afford me long walks or intimate moments with my new husband. "It", has > taken so much away from me, from us all, but you really want to know what makes > me so mad, our government sets behind their power, pushing their pencils and > passing paper all day, that they have no grasped value on the real world. They > allow billions of dollars each year to spent on "stupid" research, such as, "The > effects of flatulent livestock on the ozone layer". Hello! Who and what does > that benefit? Who does it cost? US! Why? Because they obviously don't care, as > long as they're getting paid, then nothing else matters. They harp about medical > care, cutting cost here, and pinching costs there, raising the prices of this > procedure and that, but what is being done to better it? I see nothing. Why > can't Mr. Clinton, drive a Honda, and get a $10.00 hair cut, like the rest of > us. Instead of remodeling the White House with every new president, why not live > in the old? Let them cut their own living expenses, instead of sponging off tax > payers. I am so sorry, If I spoken out of line, but we read about this garbage > and see it on T.V. everyday, and we can't get 1/10 of a percent of the > recognition for a disease, that I believe, is known throughout the medical > world, but shoved out of site and out of mind. Health, seems to be a luxury, if > you can afford it, that's great, if you can't, then that is just too bad...I > guess I have rambled on enough, thanks for listening. Before I go, I have to > leave this with you... > > Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own > understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your > paths... > > Renee > > Marla wrote: > > > Question - How does any of this apply to using glue in the peritoneal > > cavity. I mean think what would happen if it got on your intestines. Ewww. > > > > Onery1 > > http://www.soltec.net/~onery1 > > > > Helen researched fibrin glue so well it will take me a month to sort it all > > out: > > 1.) Effect of Hemostat Agent (Fibrin Glue) for Hemostasis in Cementless > > Total Knee Arthroplasty > > > > http://www.aaos.org/wordhtml/anmeet94/sciprog/419.htm > > > > 2.) New Fibrin Sealant Approved to Help Control Bleeding in Surgery > > > > http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00865.html.) > > > > 3.) Neither Sutures Nor Staples Have Inherent Sealing Characteristics > > > > http://www.fusionmed.com/market/cneeds.html#topFloSeal Matrix > > > > 4.) FloSeal Matrix > > http://www.fusionmed.com/product/floseal.html > > > > 5.) Fibrin sealant reduces fluid accumulation after breast surgery > > http://www.imaginiscorp.com/breasthealth/news/news10.21.99.html > > > > 6.) Re: Fibrin Glue for Anal Fistula -- Posted by HFHSM.D. on June 17, 1998 > > > > http://www.medhelp.org/perl6/gastro/archive/1054.html > > > > 7.) Fibrin glues > > > > http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/ohc/fibglue.htm > > > > 8.) Fibrin Glue Stops Ulcerous Bleeding > >

http://news.medscape.com/jobson/MedTrib/interncard/1997/v38.n17/FibrinGlueSt > > opsUlcerousBle.html > > > > 9.) Fibrin Glue Reduces Risks From Circumcision in Patients With Hemophilia > > http://www.mmhc.com/hemo/articles/hemov6n3/avnoglu.html > > > > 10.) Tisseel® VH Fibrin Sealant > > > > http://www.nhsusa.com/tisseel.html > > > > 11.) Fibrin Sealant Demonstrates Reduced Complications From Breast Cancer > > Surgery > > > > http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/3df72.htm > > > > 12.) Injection Of Fibrin Glue To Treat Bleeding Ulcers > > > > http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/36b56.htm > > >


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