Re: Anne...Second-look laparoscopy....re-formed adhesions & de nova

From: Renee Madron (1renee2@gte.net)
Wed Jul 5 22:44:11 2000


Laughing very loud at "karla"...No really, laughing with you, not at you...

Karla wrote:

> Well I never!!!!! Here I thought I had cobwebs for a different
> reason!!! LOL!!! Karla
>

>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Renee Madron
> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Anne...Second-look laparoscopy....re-formed
> adhesions & de nova adhesions
> I have called and surmised adhesions to be like "KUDZU",
> which is a wild vine that grows rapidly in Tennessee
> mountains and around (where I was born and raised) . You
> can burn it, cut it, and wash it away, but it always comes
> back...I just thought I would share that useless piece of
> information...lol Renee
>
> Helen Dynda wrote:
>
> > I remember reading that Dr. J. Glenn Bradley, formerly
> > with OBGYN.net, compares adhesions to cob webs - "cob
> > webs" which are "easily swept down" within a week to ten
> > days following a surgical procedure. I am not a medical
> > professional; but I really wonder if it was a wise idea
> > on the surgeon's part to "wash out adhesions" with
> > "something like a water pik." I would think that just the
> > force of the spray would be traumatic to the soft tissues
> > within our body. Laparoscopy surgery in and of itself can
> > cause adhesions. If any debris ( blood ) from the
> > laparoscopic procedure is left within the abdominal
> > cavity, the result is the development of adhesions!! To
> > me, it would seem plausible that, instead of "washing out
> > the adhedilin (?) tissue", the force of the spray may have
> > helped to introduce debris from the surgery further into
> > the abdominal cavity...thus contributing to de nova
> > adhesions De nova adhesions are new adhesions, which form
> > away from the surgical site. From: Anne Hayashi
> > (mhaya0902@aol.com)
> > Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:19:27 -0500I underwent a (3) part
> > laparoscopy after four previous surgeries. No barriers
> > were used. During the first surgery, the adhesions from
> > the abdominal wall to the bladder and intestines were
> > severe. The adhesions were taken down, and normal anatomy
> > was restored. The idea was to go in for a second look one
> > week later, and wash out the adhedilin tissue while it was
> > in a rubber band state. Every original adhesion had
> > returned,100% and 20% more denovo adhesions had returned.
> > These rubber band like adhesions were washed out with
> > something like a water pick (gently), and it was decided
> > to go in a third time the next week. The third look
> > revealed that all the adhesions had returned and there
> > were 50% more denovo adhesions. These were all
> > attachments to the abdominal wall. The "spray out"
> > procedure was tried one more time, and I am now glued down
> > with severe pulling pain, like many of you. I write this
> > only because intervening surgically before the adhesions
> > thickened did not work in my case. Perhaps there are
> > others out there who have had success with this type of
> > procedure. I, like Marla, am guessing that multiple
> > surgeries may make ischemia a real problem due to
> > decreased vascularity. I have often wondered if
> > acupuncture immediately after the surgery would help by
> > increasing vascularity?
> > Anne H.
>


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