When your speaking of money amounts, is that in American dollers?
Please respond.. I have communicated twice with Dr. Korell and like what I am hearing so far...with one exception, but not everything will be what I want to hear and one out of ten sure isn't bad!!! :-)
In friendship Bev
>----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Butman <Chuckbcpa@email.msn.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Germany questions
> I'll do the best I can to answer all these. I went alone to Germany as I
> have no money after 21/2 years on disability. I went in the winter so
thaat
> I could get the air rate of 500 dollars (from San Diego and back). I do
> not speak a word of German. This was VERY scary for me. Dr. Korell's
> secretary booked a very inexpensive room for me at an Ibis hotel. This
> hotel was connected to the train station. I got German money from the
bank
> of America or you can go to any money changer.before you leave. I made a
> mistake and did not bring any cash, only travelers checks. When you get
out
> of the airport, there is a bank but there is also a line. The train
station
> is attached to the airport. It is on an honor system. You put in your
> money and a ticket will come out. I took 2 trains, one to the center of
> Dusseldorf ( the city that I flew in to) and then another to Duisburg
> where the hospital is.) But I could have taken just one but it comes
less
> often (on the hour) God sent an angel to be with me at that moment. A
> scottish girl walked down the stairs to the train station behind me and
> helped me with my ticket (she bought it for me as I still did not have
> German money). When I got to Duisburg ( it was noon in Germany) i asked
for
> the Ibis hotel and almost all people speak English. I did some studying
> before I left and carried a dictionary with me. I was amazed that the
hotel
> was right there. I checked in and was so excited to be back in Europe,
that
> I went shopping right away. The hotel is connected to the downtown
shopping
> street. I had a great time and found a bank to change my money. I
checked
> in with Dr. Korell's secretary, Carmen, who speaks english, at 9:00 am. I
> carried one suitcase on wheels. It was perfect. The room had a closet
> with plenty of room. We went to the cashiers office where I paid for 5
days
> room. (2 thousand dollars). In Germany, they do not kick you out like
they
> do here. I paid Dr. Korell after the surgery. I made a check out to him
> for too much money and so now I am stil awaiting a refund. But the
surgery
> was only around 1,500. There is a bank about a mile from the hospital
that
> will cash travelers checks. So you could take a taxi there before you
check
> out to pay Dr. Korell. That way, you will not have all that cash with
you.
> The nurses were great! I loved the whole experience. Only a few spoke
> english well but we laughed so much trying to make conversation. It is
very
> different from an American hospital as it is more like a hotel. You
should
> bring your own towels. The nurses only take blood pressures in the
morning.
> The rest of the time, they don't bug you. I had 2 roomates and we did
well
> with communication. On the 5th day, I toured the city on the bus which
> picked me up outside the hospital. Remember that I had 2 surgeries and
was
> in a little more pain than you will be. But treat yourself to the 5 days.
> I brought books on tape so that I could hear my language. You wil not be
> able to understand the TV. It was great. I felt like a pioneer and hoped
> that someday, I could help others too. I have always been very brave.
You
> will only need a passport and no visa. I brought my own pain meds and
took
> care of that myself as I was on 100 mgs a day of Methadone and 3,000 mgs
of
> Neurontin to stop the shaking of the trapped nerve. They did give me
> something to help me sleep the night before. I woke up after surgery
right
> in my own hospital bed. No recovery room. If you bring a companion, they
> could stay at the Ibis, at about 60 dolars a night. The taxi from the
hotel
> was about 6 dollars or so. I have a dear friend who found Dr. Korell for
me
> and lives in Munich. I took the train to Munich for another 5 days and
flew
> hme from there. I hope all this helps you. I loved my experience in
> Duisberg. And I love the way I feel now. No more adhesions! I hope this
> helped you. Joanne
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernie and Beverly Doucette <bnb@cybrzn.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...
>
> > Joanne, Would you please give me a total breakdown of the costs invloved
> > here. I have already communicated with Dr. Korell as of today. I had a
few
> > more questions for him and I am sure he will get back to me timely on
> those
> > as well.
> >
> > What I need from you is this:
> > Do you speak German?
> > How did you communicate with the hospital staff, did they speak English
> and
> > German? Was a translator present at all times with you?
> > The cost of the flight to and from Germany.
> > How did you get from the airport to wherevere you stayed..and where was
> > that, as well as the cost?
> > How and what arrangements did you make prior to going over to Germany:
> > Hotels, airlines, transportation, translators? And all costs
involvements
> > with these, please.
> > Did you need a visa? If so, what did you get it under, Medical? and for
> how
> > long?
> > Did a companion go with you? If so, where didn they stay and for how
much
> in
> > American currency. Did you have to get your money exchanged for the DM?
> > You stated you were in patient, ( at least you seemed to indicate that
as
> > you mentioned a room rate for the hospital )
> > Where did your companion eat, etc...how much was that all total?
> >
> > That is what I need at this time. If I have any more questions, I'll
get
> > back to you.
> > Please place your answers on the forum if you would.
> >
> > In friendship
> > Bev Doucette
>> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chuck Butman <Chuckbcpa@email.msn.com>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 5:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...
> >
> > > I really can't answer most of those questions. I have reread my
> surgical
> > > report which was much lengthier in German. Dr. Korell uses "sharp
> > > disection" to remove the adhesions to prevent regrowth. He writes
that
> he
> > > used "extensive irrigation" before instlling the Intergel. It looks
as
> > > though the total price for his surgery was 2,175 DM which is half that
> > > amount in our dollars. That includes all tests, exams, photos etc.
> > Again,
> > > the room was 350 dollars a day. I have a comlete breakdown of costs.
I
> > > wish I could help more but as I said before, feel free to e-mail him.
> > > Joanne
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Helen Dynda <olddad66@runestone.net>
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 10:47 PM
> > > Subject: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...
> > >
> > > > Joanne, You were unable to find Karla's questions about your surgery
> in
> > > > Germany, because Karla was using Beverly's
( bnb@cybrzn.com )computer.
> > > >
> > > > Karla, I hope you don't mind that rearranged and numbered the
> questions,
> > > > which you had about Joanne's surgery in Germany.
> > > >
> > > > Karla's letter was addressed to:
> > > >
> > > > Toni
> > > >
> > > > Did you happen to read the message yesterday from Joanne? She flew
to
> > > > Germany where they used the Intergel...for much cheaper than it
would
> be
> > > > here. She feels that she has been cured of her adhesions and I
think
> > > > that if that is true...we have much to hope for. However, I do not
> > > > think that Intergel will be approved here in the states. One of the
> > > > reasons it was denied for use was the increased likelihood of
> infection
> > > > following the placement of the intergel. I personally feel that ten
> > > > weeks post op is way
> > > > too soon to say we are cured of adhesions...I am sure Joanne is
> feeling
> > > > like a new woman, but I wouldn't throw caution to the wind in saying
> > > > that I was cured if it were me. We all know how pain from adhesions
> can
> > > > show up...just when we least expect it. It can take up to a couple
of
> > > > years for the pain to show up. Another patient had the same
procedure
> > > > done over in Germany and is now worse off. I don't know whether one
> > > > should take the chance or not...it is up to the individual.
> > > >
> > > > 1.) I know that I would like to know just what procedure this doctor
> > > > used?
> > > >
> > > > 2.) Did he use clot evacuation?
> > > >
> > > > 3.) Did he leave any Ringers solution in at the end of the
procedure?
> > > >
> > > > 4.) What was this doctor's theory on adhesions?
> > > >
> > > > 5.) What does he feel causes adhesions to form?
> > > >
> > > > These are all answers that I need to have before I can consider
taking
> > > > this step. I would love to get back to Germany...I lived there for
a
> > > > couple of years and what better of an opportunity.
> > > >
> > > > Karla
> > > >
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