Re: Germany questions

From: Bernie and Beverly Doucette (bnb@cybrzn.com)
Fri May 19 13:23:49 2000


IF a person was to foillow in your footsteps, Joanne, Would your friend in Munich assist others, of good character that is, once they got threr? Do you know? It sounds like you have been in Europe before, was that in Germany?

When your speaking of money amounts, is that in American dollers?

Please respond.. I have communicated twice with Dr. Korell and like what I am hearing so far...with one exception, but not everything will be what I want to hear and one out of ten sure isn't bad!!! :-)

In friendship Bev

>----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Butman <Chuckbcpa@email.msn.com> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Germany questions

> I'll do the best I can to answer all these. I went alone to Germany as I
> have no money after 21/2 years on disability. I went in the winter so
thaat > I could get the air rate of 500 dollars (from San Diego and back). I do
> not speak a word of German. This was VERY scary for me. Dr. Korell's
> secretary booked a very inexpensive room for me at an Ibis hotel. This
> hotel was connected to the train station. I got German money from the
bank > of America or you can go to any money changer.before you leave. I made a
> mistake and did not bring any cash, only travelers checks. When you get
out > of the airport, there is a bank but there is also a line. The train
station > is attached to the airport. It is on an honor system. You put in your
> money and a ticket will come out. I took 2 trains, one to the center of
> Dusseldorf ( the city that I flew in to) and then another to Duisburg
> where the hospital is.) But I could have taken just one but it comes
less > often (on the hour) God sent an angel to be with me at that moment. A
> scottish girl walked down the stairs to the train station behind me and
> helped me with my ticket (she bought it for me as I still did not have
> German money). When I got to Duisburg ( it was noon in Germany) i asked
for > the Ibis hotel and almost all people speak English. I did some studying
> before I left and carried a dictionary with me. I was amazed that the
hotel > was right there. I checked in and was so excited to be back in Europe,
that > I went shopping right away. The hotel is connected to the downtown
shopping > street. I had a great time and found a bank to change my money. I
checked > in with Dr. Korell's secretary, Carmen, who speaks english, at 9:00 am. I
> carried one suitcase on wheels. It was perfect. The room had a closet
> with plenty of room. We went to the cashiers office where I paid for 5
days > room. (2 thousand dollars). In Germany, they do not kick you out like
they > do here. I paid Dr. Korell after the surgery. I made a check out to him
> for too much money and so now I am stil awaiting a refund. But the
surgery > was only around 1,500. There is a bank about a mile from the hospital
that > will cash travelers checks. So you could take a taxi there before you
check > out to pay Dr. Korell. That way, you will not have all that cash with
you. > The nurses were great! I loved the whole experience. Only a few spoke
> english well but we laughed so much trying to make conversation. It is
very > different from an American hospital as it is more like a hotel. You
should > bring your own towels. The nurses only take blood pressures in the
morning. > The rest of the time, they don't bug you. I had 2 roomates and we did
well > with communication. On the 5th day, I toured the city on the bus which
> picked me up outside the hospital. Remember that I had 2 surgeries and
was > in a little more pain than you will be. But treat yourself to the 5 days.
> I brought books on tape so that I could hear my language. You wil not be
> able to understand the TV. It was great. I felt like a pioneer and hoped
> that someday, I could help others too. I have always been very brave.
You > will only need a passport and no visa. I brought my own pain meds and
took > care of that myself as I was on 100 mgs a day of Methadone and 3,000 mgs
of > Neurontin to stop the shaking of the trapped nerve. They did give me
> something to help me sleep the night before. I woke up after surgery
right > in my own hospital bed. No recovery room. If you bring a companion, they
> could stay at the Ibis, at about 60 dolars a night. The taxi from the
hotel > was about 6 dollars or so. I have a dear friend who found Dr. Korell for
me > and lives in Munich. I took the train to Munich for another 5 days and
flew > hme from there. I hope all this helps you. I loved my experience in
> Duisberg. And I love the way I feel now. No more adhesions! I hope this
> helped you. Joanne

>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernie and Beverly Doucette <bnb@cybrzn.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...
>
> > Joanne, Would you please give me a total breakdown of the costs invloved
> > here. I have already communicated with Dr. Korell as of today. I had a
few > > more questions for him and I am sure he will get back to me timely on
> those
> > as well.
> >
> > What I need from you is this:
> > Do you speak German?
> > How did you communicate with the hospital staff, did they speak English
> and
> > German? Was a translator present at all times with you?
> > The cost of the flight to and from Germany.
> > How did you get from the airport to wherevere you stayed..and where was
> > that, as well as the cost?
> > How and what arrangements did you make prior to going over to Germany:
> > Hotels, airlines, transportation, translators? And all costs
involvements > > with these, please.
> > Did you need a visa? If so, what did you get it under, Medical? and for
> how
> > long?
> > Did a companion go with you? If so, where didn they stay and for how
much > in
> > American currency. Did you have to get your money exchanged for the DM?
> > You stated you were in patient, ( at least you seemed to indicate that
as > > you mentioned a room rate for the hospital )
> > Where did your companion eat, etc...how much was that all total?
> >
> > That is what I need at this time. If I have any more questions, I'll
get > > back to you.
> > Please place your answers on the forum if you would.
> >
> > In friendship
> > Bev Doucette

>> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chuck Butman <Chuckbcpa@email.msn.com>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 5:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...
> >
> > > I really can't answer most of those questions. I have reread my
> surgical
> > > report which was much lengthier in German. Dr. Korell uses "sharp
> > > disection" to remove the adhesions to prevent regrowth. He writes
that > he
> > > used "extensive irrigation" before instlling the Intergel. It looks
as > > > though the total price for his surgery was 2,175 DM which is half that
> > > amount in our dollars. That includes all tests, exams, photos etc.
> > Again,
> > > the room was 350 dollars a day. I have a comlete breakdown of costs.
I > > > wish I could help more but as I said before, feel free to e-mail him.
> > > Joanne

>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Helen Dynda <olddad66@runestone.net>
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 10:47 PM
> > > Subject: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...
> > >
> > > > Joanne, You were unable to find Karla's questions about your surgery
> in
> > > > Germany, because Karla was using Beverly's
( bnb@cybrzn.com )computer. > > > >
> > > > Karla, I hope you don't mind that rearranged and numbered the
> questions,
> > > > which you had about Joanne's surgery in Germany.
> > > >
> > > > Karla's letter was addressed to:
> > > >
> > > > Toni
> > > >
> > > > Did you happen to read the message yesterday from Joanne? She flew
to > > > > Germany where they used the Intergel...for much cheaper than it
would > be
> > > > here. She feels that she has been cured of her adhesions and I
think > > > > that if that is true...we have much to hope for. However, I do not
> > > > think that Intergel will be approved here in the states. One of the
> > > > reasons it was denied for use was the increased likelihood of
> infection
> > > > following the placement of the intergel. I personally feel that ten
> > > > weeks post op is way
> > > > too soon to say we are cured of adhesions...I am sure Joanne is
> feeling
> > > > like a new woman, but I wouldn't throw caution to the wind in saying
> > > > that I was cured if it were me. We all know how pain from adhesions
> can
> > > > show up...just when we least expect it. It can take up to a couple
of > > > > years for the pain to show up. Another patient had the same
procedure > > > > done over in Germany and is now worse off. I don't know whether one
> > > > should take the chance or not...it is up to the individual.
> > > >
> > > > 1.) I know that I would like to know just what procedure this doctor
> > > > used?
> > > >
> > > > 2.) Did he use clot evacuation?
> > > >
> > > > 3.) Did he leave any Ringers solution in at the end of the
procedure? > > > >
> > > > 4.) What was this doctor's theory on adhesions?
> > > >
> > > > 5.) What does he feel causes adhesions to form?
> > > >
> > > > These are all answers that I need to have before I can consider
taking > > > > this step. I would love to get back to Germany...I lived there for
a > > > > couple of years and what better of an opportunity.
> > > >
> > > > Karla
> > > >
> > > > to the unsubscribe form at
> http://www.adhesions.org/forums/listcmds.htm
> > > >
> > >
> > > to the unsubscribe form at

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